肖若腾单杠结束后被央视剪掉的片段——整理自nbc转播及回放

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Dseex

2021-07-29T14:17:42+00:00

看到贴吧那张肖若腾二进场示意的截图,就想着去找找回放。但NBC对这次奥运直播/回放流媒的管理非常混乱,NBC Sports有完整的全视角/主视角/美国视角,挨个确认,这一段影响penalty的插曲都被慢回放替代了。版权所限没有录屏。

出分后听力(m表示男解说,w表示女解说)

m - 14.066? I’m gonna have to go to the jury on this one. What did they see on that that we did not? I thought that was gonna be
w - I thought that was gonna be a high 14 or maybe even 15.
m - He got a 0.3 penalty, and I’m not sure what that penalty was. Bridget’s thinking maybe the arm swing. She’s trying to brush the dust off her shoulder over there. If that’s the case, I’ve never seen that for that much of a demonstration. That was very minimal. If you are taking that in that situation, I’m wondering if it was a time situation. Maybe even get up in the right amount of time. I don’t know. We’re trying to find the answer out. But that 0.3. Keep an eye on that.
(Bridget,指Bridget Sloan,NBC女解说)

我又在NBC的另一个ott平台Peacock找到了电视台版本的replay,这一版就有了清楚的画面和解说,提到了返回podium的行为是不允许的。
录屏还是受限于drm,灵机一动我去youtube搜了下发现NBC官号一天前上传了这个clip,这里我做成了gif。

[img]https://img.nga.178.com/attachments/mon_202107/30/-b756Qj5v-ehq5X11ZadT3cSdc-8o.gif[/img]

这一组解说(取自 YouTube cc字幕整理,m1男一解说,m2男二解说,w女解说)
m1 - When we’re in commercial break Xiao Ruoteng step down step back up. You’re not allowed to do that.
m2 - You can’t celebrate on the podium like this. And that is exactly what he did. It’s nit allowed and he can be penalized for this.
w - And the scene Nikita who is next kind of little confused looking at him because he knows the rules.
m1 - Absolutely any also that was kind of a little bit Funky to do it right when Nikita is getting ready to go.
m2 - So the number is coming in there and the penalty is the other 0.3 deduction they gave him the penalty.
m1 - Unbelievable.
m2 - 14.066. Can you imagine if that cost him an Olympic gold medal.
(Nikita,指Nikita Nagornyy,俄罗斯奥委会选手,他在本次决赛中紧接于肖若腾单杠后出场)

我简单描述一下gif的内容。
肖若腾单杠结束后看上去对自己的表现很满意,一度三次双手挥拳,下场后与领队拥抱,与外国选手及团队碰拳。返回休息区时在教练/领队的提醒/指示下先在场下先向裁判举臂,后进入场地(俄罗斯奥委会选手此时正在场上准备)并再次向裁判举臂示意,并鼓掌。下场后等待打分。
期间女解说描述在场的俄罗斯奥委会选手可能知道这个下场后再入场会被扣分的规则并有点困惑地看向肖若腾。
其中一个男解说用到了kind of a little bit Funky描述这一行为,直言在Nikita作准备时这么做有些令人不快。

讨论已经很多了,仅在此整理来自另一个视角的情报。
NBC是此次美国境内奥运赛事的独家转播方。
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exoTaylor

好长哦,应结论该喷还是赞?
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𝔍𝔲𝔞𝔫 𝔍𝔬𝔢𝔰𝔱𝔞𝔯

扣分的原因就是这个吧,挺明显了
emlanes-avatar

emlanes

结论是0.3扣得不冤。

他可能做完动作太高兴了,有点懵...太不应该了。
AoXh-avatar

AoXh

怎么说呢,一方面可惜,说明中国队是真的觉得有金牌的把握所以才这么激动
另一方面正视事实,别TM天天扣帽子了,得多失败才能闭上眼睛堵住耳朵天天拿大旗喷别人?
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ziggydiamond123

这TM真有点脑溢血。
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HansHelmutHorst

[quote][pid=537031572,27846516,1]Reply[/pid] Post by [uid=731881]贼呵呵[/uid] (2021-07-30 22:40):

好长哦,应结论该喷还是赞?[/quote]结论是0.3该扣,如果严格一点扣0.6也不是不行,FIG还是发水了
Azzy-avatar

Azzy

呵呵 有本事发微博抖阴[s:ac:哭笑]
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cosii

这就有点尴尬了,选手和教练都不读规则的?[s:ac:哭笑]
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HansHelmutHorst

[quote][pid=537032091,27846516,1]Reply[/pid] Post by [uid=62547561]收Maker[/uid] (2021-07-30 22:42):

怎么说呢,一方面可惜,说明中国队是真的觉得有金牌的把握所以才这么激动
另一方面正视事实,别TM天天扣帽子了,得多失败才能闭上眼睛堵住耳朵天天拿大旗喷别人?[/quote]不是,当时桥本还没比呢~单杠是桥本的强项,6.7难度要是一上,中国队那里来把握说自己一定拿冠军?
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MCDefective

结论就是0.3不但扣得不冤,裁判组还留情面了,二次上台按规则是要扣0.6的,那样银牌都保不住,NIKITA纳果恐是最大输家……
不过也还好,发酵了两天之后现在大家可以相对客观看待这件事情了
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Vedrick (AKA Aether)

说实话,不扣0.6真的可以了[s:ac:汗]这波教练全责
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Battenhall

联动隔壁美国接力跑没人接棒,难道奥运选手也能犯这种考试涂错答题卡级别的错误吗?这也太草台了吧[s:ac:呆]
Asuori-avatar

Asuori

不能用一项打分去反推所有打分都正常,孙的跳马肯定是被压分了,日本肯定是吃了主场哨。
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nagi

对自家运动员还是得宽容,如果这张gif的行为是出现在别国运动员身上,我恐怕得骂他故意挑衅……既不尊重裁判也不尊重台上的选手
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유승체

直接的视频可以再虎扑看 [img]https://img.nga.178.com/attachments/mon_202107/30/-b756Qctg0-gqmkK2dT1kSgv-sg.jpg.medium.jpg[/img]话说没有致意加上后面再次返回场地 算不算少扣?
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𝓞𝓷𝔂

[quote][pid=537032656,27846516,1]Reply[/pid] Post by [uid=61936770]ElizaUlok[/uid] (2021-07-30 22:45):

联动隔壁美国接力跑没人接棒,难道奥运选手也能犯这种考试涂错答题卡级别的错误吗?这也太草台了吧[s:ac:呆][/quote]
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Dseex

Reply to [pid=537031572,27846516,1]Reply[/pid] Post by [uid=731881]贼呵呵[/uid] (2021-07-30 22:40)
我主观认为教练/领队的问题非常大,肖若腾在单杠结束后挥拳,而不是标准的举起双臂,本身就是暧昧的扣分边缘,可以用选手太激动了解释。
但下场后又上场还做了一连串上面gif所示的动作就显得教练/领队的指令真的很不专业,这不是暧昧项,是COP中明确禁止并标出罚分细则的行为,这可能说明平日整个团队压根就没把分析COP当回事。[s:ac:抓狂]
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AoXh

[quote][pid=537032594,27846516,1]Reply[/pid] Post by [uid=42184341]YAN_BD[/uid] (2021-07-30 22:44):

不是,当时桥本还没比呢~单杠是桥本的强项,6.7难度要是一上,中国队那里来把握说自己一定拿冠军?[/quote]动作做得好感觉有把握啊,要是争牌的话就不会这么兴奋了
NovaZ-avatar

NovaZ

扣0.6的话孙炜才是铜牌